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Post by Mr.UNleash on Sept 11, 2011 23:55:41 GMT
Hey does anyone know how to change the model of a unit using hex editing? Example: Switching the citizen model with the tiger model, so the citizen will look like a tiger? I may be on the verge of being able to create new models/ changing cem files
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Post by Shieldwolf on Sept 12, 2011 5:43:35 GMT
i think ashzr or jcgf could help you on that. post the question in EEH forums.
and really, did you find a converter for CEM files???
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Post by Mr.UNleash on Sept 12, 2011 13:23:56 GMT
Not cem files directly, but if converted to the right file type and is usable then yes, it'll work.
Well, I did find a cem file editor, but I couldn't find a download link anywhere, not even on the main website. Then I found out it was a disc so I assumed you had to buy it, but I couldn't find out where they sold it at.
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Post by Shieldwolf on Sept 12, 2011 13:37:02 GMT
yes, and so far, i haven't seen a .CEM converter either. could you post the link where you have that .CEM editor?
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Post by Halfaya on Sept 12, 2011 21:11:29 GMT
Torrents, not dogs, are man's best friend!
Also, EE .cems are encrypted... you need the SSSI exporter unless you get lucky.
Also, Ashrzr has now left HG! JCGF is pretty non-existent.
IIRC, you don't even need to hex to change model or if you do it's fairly simple, this is all running from memory though.
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Post by Mr.UNleash on Sept 12, 2011 23:38:19 GMT
The cem. file editor I found was called cemTool. I dunno where to get it though. The main website is: Cemtool.com (duh) Instead, I use this program called gmax. It lets you edit 3d models for games. This program is also used for making new units in Age of Empires III and Age of Mythology, but the file types need to be converted. You can download it here: www.turbosquid.com/gmax@xeno: If you can switch models around without hex, that would make things alot easier. But I dunno how to The simplest attempt I made was just switching two models and textures names and putting them into the models and textures folder, but that closed the game as soon as you try to create that unit.
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Post by Halfaya on Sept 13, 2011 5:34:05 GMT
I just downloaded it Go to downloads -> Software Download -> Then register. Once you registered, go back to cemtool.com again and go to software download, log in and then you can download! (xeno, the saviour.) I'll do some tests later, downloading it now. What models did you switch? Similar models should fine such as one swordsman to another or a marine to nano age marine. You only need to hex if you want to switch like tank to wolf or something.
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Post by Halfaya on Sept 13, 2011 5:43:54 GMT
Unleash, after reading on the site, it would appear CEMTool is a scripting language.... which is strange, it does mention cem files thought but mentions converting them to C (language) or vice-versa.. this means two things, they either programmed the models (which is possible) or they wrote the exporter using CemTool. If the second is true, it would be useless essentially...
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Post by Halfaya on Sept 13, 2011 5:48:20 GMT
Definitely needs more research but you may have found something here!
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Post by Mr.UNleash on Sept 13, 2011 12:58:51 GMT
Wow triple post. Anyways YES!!!!!!!!!!!! Well hopefully it works. I'll download later after my seemingly endless stack of homework is finished.
As for the models I switched the medic-imperial with pericles. I also tried to switch the marine model with a model of saturn I made on gmax ;D
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Post by tek on Sept 14, 2011 14:23:40 GMT
i dont know anything you guys are talking about lol. i just know people used hexes online when we used to have clans and such things. those people were booted.
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Post by Mr.UNleash on Sept 14, 2011 23:03:41 GMT
Don't worry, I'm also slightly confused about this too. We're just trying to find out if the program I found is able to open and edit EE's cem files. Which could mean...new units! Oh and another random discovery. I was rescearching and somewhere I read that Microsoft Mobile SDK or Microsoft SDK can open cem files, but I doubt thats true.
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Post by Halfaya on Sept 15, 2011 21:21:53 GMT
It may be able to (Microsoft SDK) but it's useless Unleash, an SDK is a developmental kit for coding.
I will do research into the cemtool 6 but outlook is bleak.
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Post by Mr.UNleash on Sept 15, 2011 22:15:02 GMT
I figured the chances might be low But still, we shouldn't give up until we are sure. I'll do some more rescearch as well
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Post by Halfaya on Sept 16, 2011 14:54:02 GMT
I'm doing extensive research this weekend on the programs but I need a favour, can someone extract data.ssa and upload a random .cem file & it's texture so I can download it as I don't have a copy of EE anymore.
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Post by Halfaya on Sept 16, 2011 15:05:02 GMT
Done some looks at the manual for CemTool and it is coding for definite but it looks more for generating algorithims and things.... I really doubt we will get anywhere with this :/
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Post by Mr.UNleash on Sept 16, 2011 23:33:51 GMT
There are multiple uses for cemtool. When I found this the first time, I also came across a PDF file that talked about cem files, like the ones used in EE. I'll try to find that and post a link here. EDIT: Here it is, www.cemtool.com/cemtool/Chapter_4.pdfThough I am almost entirley sure it requires inputing code, which I am learning how to do now anyways ;D
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Post by Shieldwolf on Sept 17, 2011 4:15:42 GMT
the best of luck, mr. unleash, xenophone. the EE community will LOVEEEE you guys, if you'll ever break the CEM files! il give you 50 dollars each, plus a kiss! here's the kiss! hehehe
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Post by Mr.UNleash on Sept 17, 2011 5:14:18 GMT
Thanks Shieldy, we'll try our best . Also, I can't accept money, it's just in my extremely good nature. Besides, it'll probably cost more than that to ship it to us both @xeno: I attached a file filled with cem files of persian immortal, marine and I believe tower stone. Also a copy of data.ssa is in there. Good Luck! We may be on the verge of making the greatest discovery ever in terms of EE. EDIT: Apparently mediafire can't detect the file for some reason, so I can only send you the cem files, as data.ssa is too large. Can anyone else send that plz?
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Post by Mr.UNleash on Sept 17, 2011 5:23:36 GMT
Whoops, almost forgot the textures.
Oh and if it's true that EE cem models are converted from 3ds, I might be able to create new models and use hex to add them in, but may not be able to edit existing models.
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Post by Halfaya on Sept 17, 2011 10:13:49 GMT
WHOOO! I GOT A KISS OF RANDY! ;D I want my 50 dollars via paypal and then I'm buying three people on EC minecraft ('cos I'm nice like that ) I don't need the data.ssa file just a couple of .cems so I can try and open them in cemtool and see what happens and I need the textures so if I can edit the model, I'll have to edit the alpha channel & texture aswell
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Post by Shieldwolf on Sept 17, 2011 13:51:32 GMT
hahah.. break the cem and on my (scout's) honor, i'd send the money via western union guys, so go and burn those midnight candles!
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Post by Halfaya on Sept 17, 2011 14:35:39 GMT
Haha, cheers shieldy but the money won't be neccessary.
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Post by Shieldwolf on Sept 17, 2011 18:38:48 GMT
hahha.. no worries, i'd send the bill to tal. ;D
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Post by Tal on Sept 17, 2011 18:45:34 GMT
What a splendid idea.
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Post by Shieldwolf on Sept 18, 2011 8:41:46 GMT
hahah
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Post by Halfaya on Sept 18, 2011 20:05:07 GMT
Give it to charity! The Royal British Legion and so far, outlook is looking bleaker and bleaker....
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Post by Mr.UNleash on Sept 18, 2011 23:35:29 GMT
Hmmm...well, there may still be hope. As for now I am also looking into a plan B, in case this fails.
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Post by Halfaya on Sept 19, 2011 9:14:18 GMT
Good idea, if we work on different avenues, message me if you get any headway on a plan B and I'll let you know how I go.
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Post by Mr.UNleash on Sept 19, 2011 13:29:30 GMT
So far I have a possible plan B and last resort, but it's a long shot.
As for B, I think I will be able to create new 3DS models, but don't know how to convert them to cem. But we still can't edit existing files with this.
Last Resort: To actually decript the files in a legit way, we need to somehow optain the key, or password. If the key is only four letters long, we can divide the 81,000 different combinations among us and see who gets it ;D Or find out who knows it and hunt them down.
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